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Traveller-digest      Monday, November 1 1999      Volume 1999 : Number 1289<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Re: Alien Protest Forms (was: [OT] One Day In Peace 2)<BR>
Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
Re: Protest in the 3I, was  a dead horse spot called Re: One Day In  Peace 2<BR>
Rampant Sitcoms in the Street (was: Re: [OT] One Day Of Peace)<BR>
Re: Alien Protest Forms (was: [OT] One Day In Peace 2)<BR>
Idea for honouring J. Andrew Keith.<BR>
K'kree humour<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: Interactive fiction<BR>
Re: [OT] Cultural Differences<BR>
Re: One Day In Peace 2<BR>
Re: Alien Protest Forms (was: [OT] One Day In Peace 2)<BR>
Re: opengl95.exe<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day Of Peace<BR>
Re: Alderson Drives and the MiGE Universe (was Re: Traveller: Aberrant jump drives (was Re: Just say "no" to lhyd))<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace 2<BR>
Re: Critical Mass<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1281<BR>
Announcement - TravShorts<BR>
Re: Alien Protest Forms (was: [OT] One Day In Peace 2)<BR>
RE: Paying for health care<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day Of Peace<BR>
Re: Paying for health care<BR>
Re: Where the heck is Scangen?<BR>
Re: Alien Protest Forms (was: [OT] One Day In Peace 2)<BR>
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:46:22 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Alien Protest Forms (was: [OT] One Day In Peace 2)<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Zhondani -> No.  Those who are unhappy are "helped" before it ever comes to<BR>
> that.<BR>
<BR>
Only if you accept the "evil, mind-raping Zho scum" stereotype. It's<BR>
also possible that the discontent that would lead to protests is noted<BR>
in the earlist stages, and the *problem* is dealt with. <BR>
<BR>
In some cases, the problem is a matter of perception, or can't readily<BR>
be solved. In which case various sorts of counseling and support are<BR>
available. And it may even be possible that it would be judged that a<BR>
peaceful protest would be the best way for the proles to deal with<BR>
their feelings about the unfixable problem. <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:31:04 -0600<BR>
From: "Andrew Akins" <igor@truserve.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
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Brian A. Howard wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Nicely done drawings and 3D art. What software did you use for the deck <BR>
> plans? The 3D model?<BR>
<BR>
For the deckplans, Corel Draw. For the 3D models, Lightwave.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks for the compliments.<BR>
<BR>
Andy Akins<BR>
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:45:56 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Protest in the 3I, was  a dead horse spot called Re: One Day In  Peace 2<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
<<snip>><BR>
> <BR>
> The Solomani protest with tanks and fixed bayonets...oops! I'm sorry, that's<BR>
> the Solomani _response_ to protests...<BR>
<BR>
Sure, but only Impy-Sympies would protest anything in the<BR>
Confederation.... ;-)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:05:58 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Rampant Sitcoms in the Street (was: Re: [OT] One Day Of Peace)<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> Chris Seamans wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > Apart from that, I don't really care. I don't buy the "cause and effect" of<BR>
> > violent movies and television on people. If it were, I would most likely be<BR>
> > a bloodthirsty bastard who would make Hannibal the Cannibal look like Mary<BR>
> > Poppins.<BR>
> <BR>
> As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence in TV and<BR>
> movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see random acts of<BR>
> situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
<BR>
But they _do_.  Who among you has _not_ looked out on some aspect of the<BR>
world around you and thought, "This would make a _hilarious_ TV<BR>
sitcom!"?<BR>
<BR>
I didn't think so.<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav:  Two things occur to me:<BR>
<BR>
1.  Do the various subraces of humaniti find the same kinds of things<BR>
funny?  I don't mean "Do they find the same jokes funny?".  I wouldn't<BR>
expect a Vilani to laugh at a Solomani joke about hidebound traditions,<BR>
for instance.  However, like it or not, ethnic humor is deeply ingrained<BR>
in the Terran psyche.  Do Zhodani tell "chaotic Solomani" jokes?  Are<BR>
pratfalls a constant in human comedy?  Do Vilani make puns?<BR>
<BR>
2.  Is humor (in whatever form) a universal concept among sentient<BR>
species, or are there races in the OTU that simply don't find _anything_<BR>
funny?  (I suspect that humor is an inevitable companion of sentience. <BR>
After all, even the SDG chips had something that could be construed as a<BR>
sense of humor [the Deo/Deyo segment in _Survival Margin_]....)<BR>
<BR>
If humor _is_ inextricably linked to sentience, what kinds of humor<BR>
appeal to what races in the OTU?<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 00:39:43 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Alien Protest Forms (was: [OT] One Day In Peace 2)<BR>
<BR>
At 06:46 PM 10/31/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>In mail you write:<BR>
><BR>
> > Zhondani -> No.  Those who are unhappy are "helped" before it ever comes to<BR>
> > that.<BR>
><BR>
>Only if you accept the "evil, mind-raping Zho scum" stereotype. It's<BR>
>also possible that the discontent that would lead to protests is noted<BR>
>in the earlist stages, and the *problem* is dealt with.<BR>
><BR>
>In some cases, the problem is a matter of perception, or can't readily<BR>
>be solved. In which case various sorts of counseling and support are<BR>
>available. And it may even be possible that it would be judged that a<BR>
>peaceful protest would be the best way for the proles to deal with<BR>
>their feelings about the unfixable problem.<BR>
<BR>
Only if you accept the "nice caring utopian Zho superbeings" stereotype.  :)<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
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- --<BR>
jg42@cornell.edu        "I do not agree with a word you say, but I will<BR>
                          defend to the death your right to say it."<BR>
                                              -- Francois Marie Voltaire<BR>
#include <disclaimer.h> "Imagination is more important than knowledge"<BR>
                          			     -- Albert Einstein<BR>
for PGP public-key and<BR>
more quotes, http://gerfalcon.tzo.com/plan.htm<BR>
WWW Page: http://gerfalcon.tzo.com/                <BR>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:57:43 +1300<BR>
From: "Andrew Moffatt-Vallance" <a.vallance@netaccess.co.nz><BR>
Subject: Idea for honouring J. Andrew Keith.<BR>
<BR>
I was mulling this over today and I came up with another idea. Up till now<BR>
the name of the Terran ship that made first contact with Vilani has been<BR>
given as the Starleaper I. As far as I can tell this name only appears in DGP<BR>
material, which puts it very firmly into the forbidden canon and GT Solomani<BR>
Rim is comming up which to me seems like the ideal time to fix this and<BR>
give JA Keith a fitting tribute in canon.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Andrew etc<BR>
Homepage http://users.netaccess.co.nz/amv/<BR>
Traveller http://www.downport.com/amv/<BR>
 "What do you expect from a species who's females are<BR>
 always in heat" Ko of the Ilui clan on Humans and honour<BR>
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:00:43 -0800<BR>
From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)<BR>
Subject: K'kree humour<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
...<BR>
>Aslan even have demonstrations?  Do the K'Kree throw paint on old ladies in<BR>
furs?<BR>
<BR>
  Or politely inquire as to how they have so much left of a carnivore after<BR>
shooting it. You mean you _don't_ use high energy weapons?!<BR>
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:16:30 -0700<BR>
From: cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
>> Okay, how about an example closer to home? Canadians watch the same <BR>
>> violent TV and movies that Americans do. Canada's level of social control<BR>
>> is for the most part the same as what one finds in the USA. On the other<BR>
>> hand, Canada's violent crime rate is a small fraction of the USA's.<BR>
><BR>
>Yes, it's obvious that our attempts to destroy Canadian society and turn<BR>
>it into a shadow of the United States have met with repeated failure. <BR>
>Our scientists continue to study methods of dealing with the Menace of<BR>
>the North.<BR>
<BR>
The reason for your repeated failure is that we Canadians are actually,<BR>
secretly in control of your giant propaganda machine known as the <BR>
"entertainment industry". Haven't you ever seen that bit of epic expos<BR>
journalism, "The Canadian Consipracy"?  :)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
     Glenn St-Germain  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada <BR>
cos90@powersurfr.com  http://plaza.powersurfr.com/glenn<BR>
        "There is no longer any normal to be"<BR>
                                 -- Gary Numan<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 00:20:47 -0500<BR>
From: Rob Brady <robb@datatone.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Interactive fiction<BR>
<BR>
At 09:17 PM 10/30/99 -0800, Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
>In mail you write:<BR>
><BR>
> > If anyone out there remembers the old days of "interactive fiction,"<BR>
> > (Adventure, Zork, etc), I have finished the logic for an IF walkthrough<BR>
><BR>
>I wonder if you could turn this interactive scout ship into a web page?<BR>
<BR>
You might want to look at http://www.pond.com/~russotto/zplet/ifol.html<BR>
This is the home page of the zplet applet, an infocom interpreter written<BR>
in java. If you can get russotto to let you use the zplet on your own page,<BR>
you could have any inform written code you want on a web page. Of course,<BR>
I'll probably end up doing this by default.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Add a completely new dimension to science fiction adventure with<BR>
Robots.<BR>
Rob Brady                               robb at datatone dot com<BR>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:30:03 +1300<BR>
From: "Mike Smith" <mjsmith@staff.salcom.co.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cultural Differences<BR>
<BR>
Good piece of acting, though, you've gotta admit<BR>
<BR>
<flamebait><BR>
<BR>
Mike.<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Rupert Boleyn <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 9:15 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cultural Differences<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> On 30 Oct 99, at 12:50, Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> > I think there's a high level of social control in AMERICA.  Total<BR>
> > strangers will come up to you and tell you that you shouldn't smoke,<BR>
> > you're too fat to eat this or that, God help you if you're pregnant and<BR>
> > you dare to eat anything in public because someone will have an opinion<BR>
> > about it... Complete outsiders will comment on your clothing, break into<BR>
> > your quiet conversation about a relationship problem to tell you to<BR>
"Dump<BR>
> > the bastard!", or dump all their problems on you.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > People walk right up to you and ask you to change your religion, and<BR>
> > they're not respectful about it either.  I've been asked really rude<BR>
> > questions by people I had never seen before about pentacles, prayer<BR>
beads,<BR>
> > etc.  People stand outside of clinics and shout at you about medical<BR>
> > procedures they disapprove of.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > And yet... you can leave your trash can right out in the damn street<BR>
where<BR>
> > someone could trip over it and break their neck, and no one cares.<BR>
><BR>
> This makes me feel that there are more good points to New Zealand than<BR>
> I realised - aside from a very few anti-abortionists outside clinics<BR>
> this sort of thing only happens to politicians, and recent events<BR>
> suggest that the protesters are more at risk from the politicians than<BR>
> vice versa.<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> --<BR>
> Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz><BR>
> Wellington, New Zealand<BR>
><BR>
> A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.<BR>
><BR>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:56:38 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Re: One Day In Peace 2<BR>
<BR>
Dear Folks -<BR>
<BR>
Kiri said:<BR>
>> Do the K'Kree throw paint on old ladies in furs?<BR>
<BR>
Actually, there is an old JTAS article by J. Andrew Keith about this sort of<BR>
thing (from an interview with the K'kree ambassador at Capital). To continue:<BR>
<BR>
Glenn said:<BR>
>The K'Kree shoot old ladies in furs.<BR>
<BR>
The K'kree would consider that to be a waste of ammunition.<BR>
<BR>
They just trample them instead.<BR>
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David "Hyphen" Jaques-Watson        Beowulf Down (Tavonni/Vilis/SM 1520)<BR>
http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw                       davidjw@pcug.org.au<BR>
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity"<BR>
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:01:38 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Alien Protest Forms (was: [OT] One Day In Peace 2)<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> At 06:46 PM 10/31/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>>In mail you write:<BR>
>><BR>
>> > Zhondani -> No.  Those who are unhappy are "helped" before it ever comes <BR>
> to<BR>
>> > that.<BR>
>><BR>
>>Only if you accept the "evil, mind-raping Zho scum" stereotype. It's<BR>
>>also possible that the discontent that would lead to protests is noted<BR>
>>in the earlist stages, and the *problem* is dealt with.<BR>
>><BR>
>>In some cases, the problem is a matter of perception, or can't readily<BR>
>>be solved. In which case various sorts of counseling and support are<BR>
>>available. And it may even be possible that it would be judged that a<BR>
>>peaceful protest would be the best way for the proles to deal with<BR>
>>their feelings about the unfixable problem.<BR>
><BR>
> Only if you accept the "nice caring utopian Zho superbeings" stereotype.  :)<BR>
<BR>
My advice is to find out which of the two stereotypes your players<BR>
believe is the way Zhos "really are". Then keep having them run into<BR>
incidents that fit the other stereotype. If they change their mind,<BR>
change the incident type. <BR>
<BR>
<BEG><BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 00:15:03 -0800<BR>
From: Evyn MacDude <wmacdude@worldnet.att.net><BR>
Subject: Re: opengl95.exe<BR>
<BR>
Shimmergloom wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Now I feel stupid.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
 Don't......<BR>
<BR>
You should be around here when I have burn<BR>
and pave my C drive.... I always manage to forget<BR>
how to setup my mail accounts. And usually have<BR>
lost the notes I make evry time.<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Evyn...<BR>
<BR>
Get six jolly cowboys to carry my coffin<BR>
Get six pretty maidens to bear up my pall<BR>
Bunches of roses all over my coffin<BR>
Roses to deaden the clods as they fall<BR>
 Laredo<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 00:27:59 -0800<BR>
From: Evyn MacDude <wmacdude@worldnet.att.net><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day Of Peace<BR>
<BR>
Kenji Schwarz wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Bruce Johnson wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> > As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence in TV and<BR>
> > movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see random acts of<BR>
> > situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
><BR>
> I see it constantly.  I wish I didn't.  Life would be much easier that<BR>
> way.<BR>
<BR>
Ah... Someone else who works with the general public.<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Evyn...<BR>
<BR>
Get six jolly cowboys to carry my coffin<BR>
Get six pretty maidens to bear up my pall<BR>
Bunches of roses all over my coffin<BR>
Roses to deaden the clods as they fall<BR>
 Laredo<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:56:38 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Alderson Drives and the MiGE Universe (was Re: Traveller: Aberrant jump drives (was Re: Just say "no" to lhyd))<BR>
<BR>
> >"Building the Mote In God's Eye" which was later republished in the<BR>
> >collection "A Step Further Out", which in itself is a wonderful<BR>
> >quick reference for all sorts of Travelleresque stuff.<BR>
><BR>
> Got an ISBN for this? Amazon pulled nothing up by the title, nor<BR>
> under Pournelle's name.<BR>
<BR>
My copy, an Ace "large" paperback, does not have an explcitly marked ISBN,<BR>
though it has the number of 78584-0 on the front cover next to the Ace logo.<BR>
It also states it was printed in the USA.<BR>
<BR>
I have another copy of _half_ the book, labelled "A Step Farther Out Part 2"<BR>
undr the "Star" label and that has the ISBN 0 352 30906 7 Though this<BR>
doesn't have the chapter on  "Building the Mote In God's Eye" , which I<BR>
assume is in Part 1<BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:36:25 +0000<BR>
From: Phil Kitching <postmark.design@btinternet.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace 2<BR>
<BR>
At 10:46 31/10/1999 -0800, Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:<BR>
<BR>
<snip><BR>
<BR>
>ObTrav:  I wonder about different protesting styles in the cultures of the<BR>
>Third Imperium.  How do the Vilani protest ANYTHING?  Do the Vargr and the<BR>
>Aslan even have demonstrations?  Do the K'Kree throw paint on old ladies in<BR>
>furs?<BR>
<BR>
K'Kree do not throw paint...<BR>
<BR>
They take off and nuke the old lady from orbit because "it's the only way<BR>
to be sure!"<BR>
<BR>
Phil Kitching<BR>
Phil Kitching<BR>
- --<BR>
  http://www.btinternet.com/~salvo/<BR>
  Postmark Design Bureau, Emerging Technologies Division.<BR>
 "Microwaving half-baked ideas from across the Galaxy"<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 12:41:20 +0000<BR>
From: Phil Kitching <postmark.design@btinternet.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Critical Mass<BR>
<BR>
At 12:37 31/10/1999 -0800, Darren Sherbot wrote:<BR>
<BR>
<snip><BR>
<BR>
>...Do you know how hard it is to pass a cyclist in my Ford Explorer<BR>
>and then make an abrupt right hand turn without hitting the "jerk" with my<BR>
>side view mirror?<BR>
<BR>
I'd have thought that your main risk was that "jerk" denting your door.<BR>
Surely you have to swing that monstrosity out across three lanes in<BR>
order to have enough room to roll it round a corner?<BR>
Besides, if you followed the one true path (ie driving on the left) in the<BR>
one true vehicle (ie MG sportscar), you wouldn't have *this* problem with<BR>
turning right.<BR>
<BR>
;-)<BR>
<BR>
Phil Kitching<BR>
- --<BR>
  http://www.btinternet.com/~salvo/<BR>
  Postmark Design Bureau, Emerging Technologies Division.<BR>
 "Microwaving half-baked ideas from across the Galaxy"<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:23:12 EST<BR>
From: Diespamer@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1281<BR>
<BR>
Greetings:<BR>
<BR>
Now this is really wacky! Issue 1281 arived--colored red! Honest! Bright red! <BR>
I've never seen anything like it!<BR>
<BR>
What a thing to look at before you're fully awake!<BR>
<BR>
Fred Kiesche<BR>
(Diespamer@aol.com)<BR>
(Traveller Since 1977)<BR>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:15:35 -0000<BR>
From: "MJ Dougherty" <martinjd@globalnet.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Announcement - TravShorts<BR>
<BR>
Shortly before his tragic death in August, I found myself discussing the<BR>
possibility of a collection of Traveller short stories with J Andrew Keith.<BR>
Andrew was very keen on the idea. Sadly, he died before his contribution<BR>
could be agreed.<BR>
<BR>
We all know what a loss he was.<BR>
<BR>
I have Marc's permission to continue the project and publish it as a tribute<BR>
to Andrew, and to this end I am soliciting short (3-7000 word) stories set<BR>
in any* canon Traveller setting. Publication date is at present set at<BR>
"sometime in the new year".<BR>
<BR>
For contribution details, please contact me at martinjd@globalnet.co.uk (not<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 08:43:35 -0600<BR>
From: Shimmergloom <shimmer@mhtc.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Alien Protest Forms (was: [OT] One Day In Peace 2)<BR>
<BR>
I used to use this method for dealing with drow in my D$D games.<BR>
<BR>
Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> In mail you write:<BR>
><BR>
> > At 06:46 PM 10/31/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
> >>In mail you write:<BR>
> >><BR>
> >> > Zhondani -> No.  Those who are unhappy are "helped" before it ever comes<BR>
> > to<BR>
> >> > that.<BR>
> >><BR>
> >>Only if you accept the "evil, mind-raping Zho scum" stereotype. It's<BR>
> >>also possible that the discontent that would lead to protests is noted<BR>
> >>in the earlist stages, and the *problem* is dealt with.<BR>
> >><BR>
> >>In some cases, the problem is a matter of perception, or can't readily<BR>
> >>be solved. In which case various sorts of counseling and support are<BR>
> >>available. And it may even be possible that it would be judged that a<BR>
> >>peaceful protest would be the best way for the proles to deal with<BR>
> >>their feelings about the unfixable problem.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Only if you accept the "nice caring utopian Zho superbeings" stereotype.  :)<BR>
><BR>
> My advice is to find out which of the two stereotypes your players<BR>
> believe is the way Zhos "really are". Then keep having them run into<BR>
> incidents that fit the other stereotype. If they change their mind,<BR>
> change the incident type.<BR>
><BR>
> <BEG><BR>
><BR>
> --<BR>
> Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
>  shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
> leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
- ----------------------------------------------<BR>
he he he he he he he he he he he he<BR>
<BR>
      Shimmer<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 10:34:05 -0500<BR>
From: Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca><BR>
Subject: RE: Paying for health care<BR>
<BR>
Eris Reddoch writes:<BR>
<snipped><BR>
>Frankly, I think, a lot of us play the medical system as being<BR>
>pretty much free as well.  When's the last time you asked a PC<BR>
>for an insurance card or denied them medical care until they<BR>
>paid, or showed that they could pay for the care? <g><BR>
<BR>
	That happened the last time that a PC went to a hospital<BR>
	for care IMTU.  Gee, Eris, I pictured you as a much<BR>
	nastier GM than that  ;)<BR>
<BR>
Peez<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:35:04 -0600 (CST)<BR>
From: "Jason Kemp" <Jason.Kemp@tdh.state.tx.us><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day Of Peace<BR>
<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
<BR>
> Jason Kemp forwarded the following:<BR>
<BR>
<<Snip outtakes of original post and well-phrased, valid and <BR>
non-inflammatory comments.>><BR>
<BR>
> Jason, my apologies if you're insulted by my comments.<BR>
<BR>
Not at all, my friend.  Not at all.  I got what I expected from my <BR>
post, and I can tell that at least two people from the list got what <BR>
I got from it, and the rest got some great conversation fodder that's <BR>
been going on now for over three days.  I'm just glad to be of <BR>
service.  (And also glad I didn't get flamed more than I did, which <BR>
was hardly at all.  I really should have presented my intent much <BR>
better; I must work on my communication skills. *grin*)<BR>
<BR>
With Warm Regards,<BR>
Jason<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav:  See, this is one of the reasons the TML is my favorite list. <BR>
 Everyone's cool with each other, and even with the flames and the <BR>
occasionally heated discussions, there is still a lot of mutual <BR>
respect between its members, or at least the appearance of such.  <BR>
Thanks, All!<BR>
<BR>
=============================<BR>
Jason Kemp, ADS Programmer IV<BR>
(512)458-7111 ext. 3375<BR>
<BR>
Internet Address: jason.kemp@tdh.state.tx.us<BR>
==============================<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 08:30:20 -0700<BR>
From: Erwin Fritz <efritz@GLJA.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Paying for health care<BR>
<BR>
Ian Ferguson wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> Eris Reddoch writes:<BR>
> <snipped><BR>
> >Frankly, I think, a lot of us play the medical system as being<BR>
> >pretty much free as well.  When's the last time you asked a PC<BR>
> >for an insurance card or denied them medical care until they<BR>
> >paid, or showed that they could pay for the care? <g><BR>
> <BR>
>         That happened the last time that a PC went to a hospital<BR>
>         for care IMTU.  Gee, Eris, I pictured you as a much<BR>
>         nastier GM than that  ;)<BR>
<BR>
Actually, IMTU the PCs must pay for health care, or the hospital gets very<BR>
annoyed. Health insurance is funded by megacorporations, so if you don't work<BR>
for one, first aid is a cash business.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Erwin Fritz<BR>
Gilbert Laustsen Jung Associates Ltd.<BR>
http://www.glja.com<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:03:29 -0600 (CST)<BR>
From: Steven Bonneville <bonnevil@ima.umn.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Where the heck is Scangen?<BR>
<BR>
David Summers wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> Can anyone tell me what hex Scangen is in?  (In the Gvurdon Sector)  I have<BR>
> the GDW Alien module and I'm running the Traveller Adventure and I was<BR>
> going to point it out to my players, but if it says exactly where it is, I<BR>
> can't find it.<BR>
<BR>
I'll have to check my notes and get back to you.  Otherwise, I think that<BR>
there was a note in Bannerji's pocket showing his "vacation trip" route to<BR>
the sunny Vargr Extents -- if it shows the whole route, then there should<BR>
only be a few possible worlds that work and haven't been identified as<BR>
something else.<BR>
<BR>
> (BTW, does the system at 3034 really have a GTL of 13 (TTL of 16)???  Isn't<BR>
> that awfully high for the Vargr extents?)<BR>
<BR>
It appears to.  The Vargr world generation rules I've seen seem to allow<BR>
this for a reasonable number of worlds.  I think it's reasonable that the<BR>
Vargr are tech-16 in spots; they've never had an Extents-wide Long Night,<BR>
after all.  Lair is tech-15, but it's been pointed out that there's more<BR>
important Vargr worlds than Lair.  <BR>
<BR>
  -- Steve Bonneville<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:28:39 -0000<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Alien Protest Forms (was: [OT] One Day In Peace 2)<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 4:42 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Alien Protest Forms (was: [OT] One Day In Peace 2)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>At 06:46 PM 10/31/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>>In mail you write:<BR>
>><BR>
>> > Zhondani -> No.  Those who are unhappy are "helped" before it ever<BR>
comes to<BR>
>> > that.<BR>
>><BR>
>>Only if you accept the "evil, mind-raping Zho scum" stereotype. It's<BR>
>>also possible that the discontent that would lead to protests is noted<BR>
>>in the earlist stages, and the *problem* is dealt with.<BR>
>><BR>
>>In some cases, the problem is a matter of perception, or can't readily<BR>
>>be solved. In which case various sorts of counseling and support are<BR>
>>available. And it may even be possible that it would be judged that a<BR>
>>peaceful protest would be the best way for the proles to deal with<BR>
>>their feelings about the unfixable problem.<BR>
><BR>
>Only if you accept the "nice caring utopian Zho superbeings" stereotype.<BR>
:)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
It might be a little from Column A and a little from Column B. There might<BR>
be times when a problem isn't considered to be a problem by the Zhodani<BR>
leadership, and the "evil, mind-raping Zho scum" option might be used. On<BR>
the other hand, if the problem is one that is valid and *should* be fixed,<BR>
then I can see the "nice caring utopian Zho superbeings" option being put<BR>
into action.<BR>
<BR>
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